NFL Grades from Around the League
1 (27) Rashaad Penny RB San Diego State
A true shocker. Not Derrius Guice, or Sony Michel, or Nick Chubb or … you get the point. Penny has a lot going for him, and had a great 2017 but … wow. Seattle had a golden opportunity to fill Richard Sherman’s spot with Josh Jackson … and reached for a RB? Grade: D
Let me preface this by saying the last time I gave the Seahawks a bad draft grade it was the year they took Russell Wilson. Penny was one of the biggest surprise choices of the first round. It wasn’t truly a stunner that the Seahawks picked a running back. But to pass on Nick Chubb, Sony Michel, and Derrius Guice for Penny was unexpected. You can argue scheme fit, and maybe Penny will be a superstar and the new Marshawn Lynch in Seattle. It just seems like he could’ve been had later in the draft. At least he wasn’t the choice at No. 18 and the Seahawks were able to get a pick on the draft’s second day.
He's a nice runner, but they have so many other needs and there are better backs. Weird.
Wait, what? With glaring needs at cornerback and edge rusher, and Iowa corner Josh Jackson and BC edge man Harold Landry still on the board, the Seahawks drafted a running back? (And that running back wasn’t Derrius Guice?) Look, GM John Schneider and head coach Pete Carroll studied all of these prospects infinitely more than we did, and they’re obviously familiar with his team’s needs. And it should be noted that over the years the Seahawks have successfully found lanky press corners in the middle rounds of the draft. They acquired more mid-round capital by trading back in the first round. There’s also a case to be made on the other side of the ball: this team was at its best when the offense ran through Marshawn Lynch. A run-first offense naturally creates more leeway for Russell Wilson’s sandlot style. So we certainly can’t call this pick a blunder. But it’s very surprising the Seahawks didn’t address their D-line or secondary.
Grade/Analysis: D+. Rashaad Penny is a fine player, but this was way too early. In fact, there are three other running backs who should have been taken before him. He can definitely be a workhorse back—something the Seattle Seahawks need—but he's not exactly the home run hitter type of running back. He will run hard and force missed tackles. However, this is a reach.
Let's see how this guy turns out before any of us damn the pick.
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Let's see how this guy turns out before any of us damn the pick.
Right, but people want to react right away.
It's not like the Seahawks could wait until the 2nd round to pick them with their infinite picks.
Overall draft grades mean little.. but maybe a tiny bit as a whole. But 1st round grades mean even less.. they are just "how close to the medias opinion did you draft?".
Look at the logic.. Seahawks have other needs... at cornerback? But they signed Byron Maxwell today and obviously knew it was close to happening yesterday -- the signing changes the perspective at that position totally. Not to mention the Seahawks have a better idea if Elliot or Thorpe are ready. At DE, they seemed to know a guy they wanted later plus may have more faith in Marcus Smith and Dion Jordan than others do (I think Jordan is going to be good for sure this year).
Other comments .."not Guice".. but Guice slid all the way to the bottom of the 2nd..so NFL teams are looking at things the media isnt seeing obviously doesnt.
And "could have gotten him later".. Um. No. Seahawks had an offer apparently after they drafted him, and the Browns wanted him at 33 its being said.
3 (79) Rasheem Green DL USC
Grade: Fine? Green will play DE in the pros, which makes sense since he was basically a pass-rush specialist ... as a 3-4 DE last year. Unique.
He is a guy who will have to help right away and he can. He was a productive player at USC.
Strengths: Versatility, athleticism, arms/hand usage.
Weaknesses: Elite traits for any one position.
Love this pick. Rasheem Green is experienced, nimble and crafty. He uses his long arms to defeat blockers, has a variety of pass-rush moves, and does a fine job recognizing plays and locating the ball.
If Green were a few twitches quicker, he would be a top edge-rush prospect. If he were stronger and heavier, he would be an ideal 3-tech tackle. As is, he can get blown backward in run defense and needs that big bag of tricks to effectively reach the quarterback. So Green can play a variety of roles in multiple fronts along the defensive line, but he is not the prototype at any of them. Players like Green end up in the NFL for a decade, helping their teams with minimal individual glory.
A fine player. But … tra-la-la-la-la, the Seahawks offensive line is still a disaster area. Tra-la-la, they will never do anything about it. Tra-la-la-la-la …
Seeing as the 'Hawks claim they would have taken Penny at 18, we basically got Green for nothing?,,,,,right? Not bad, IMHO.
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- Day 1 grade: D San Diego State RB Rashaad Penny (No. 27 overall)
- Day 2 grade: B USC DE Rasheem Green (No. 79 overall)
- Day 3 grade: B- Washington TE Will Dissly (No. 120 overall), UCF LB Shaquem Griffin (No. 141 overall), Oklahoma State DB Tre Flowers (No. 146 overall), Texas P Michael Dickson (No. 149 overall), Ohio State OT Jamarco Jones (No. 168 overall), Temple DE Jacob Martin (No. 186 overall), Florida International QB Alex McGough (No. 220 overall)
- Overall grade: C
The skinny: There was zero surprise the Seahawks traded down, as they expected their guys to be available later. Penny is a good back but picked too early. This is the modus operandi for the Seahawks in recent years, picking someone in the first round much earlier than most people project. And, in most cases, the picks haven't worked out. Seattle lost its second-round pick in a trade for Sheldon Richardson, which only turned out to be an unsuccessful one-year deal. Selecting Green in the third round was good value, and could be a steal like Michael Bennett was years ago. He should be a better pro player than he was in college. Dissly is a blocker with some receiving skills. Getting Griffin not only reunited him with his twin brother, it added quickness and aggressiveness to the defense. Flowers is a very Seahawks-like pick -- big and strong like another fifth-round pick, Kam Chancellor. GM John Schneider traded a seventh-round pick away for the draft's top punter in Dickson, who some thought could have been a Day 2 pick. He's a good value and filled a need. Jones could start in a year or two given the offensive line issues. No corners or receivers selected puts Seattle in a hole at those spots after the draft.
Drafting a running back is an odd way to kick off your massive rebuilding project on defense, but let’s remember: the better the ground game, the more effective an offense will be with a QB like Russell Wilson. Wilson’s best years may have come recently, but this offense’s best years came when the system went through Marshawn Lynch. Since so many of Seattle’s recent early round selections have been offensive linemen, finding a ballcarrier was the surest way to buttress the rushing attack. The people who like Rashaad Penny really like him.
The Seahawks stayed on offense with their fourth-round pick, as well, filling their enormous tight end void (or, more likely, just part of it) with Will Dissly. Every other notable selection, save for Michael Dickson, was on defense, though now we’re talking about a bunch of mid-round picks. What’s shocking is that not one of those mid-round picks was a cornerback, the team’s greatest need entering this draft, even though the Seahawks have had success with those selections in past years.
And Shaquem Griffin: What a tremendous feel-good story. But feel-good stories don’t impact winning or losing in the NFL, and Griffin is too respectable of a player for his selection to not be analyzed by the same standards as everyone else. This in mind, the Seahawks are not drafting a fifth-rounder with the intent of him replacing a star like K.J. Wright (who is in a contract year), or even with the intent of playing him on a majority of downs. So the Griffin choice appears to be about finding long-term depth. Though given that three-fourths of Seattle’s defensive contributors are nearing the ends of their contracts, a long-term depth guy might have to be a short-term starter come 2019.
Day 1: Seattle pulled one of the surprises of the first round by selecting RB Rashaad Penny with the 27th overall pick having traded down with the Green Bay Packers. Maybe the Seahawks were simply reading PFF, who have been telling people that Penny is a first-round talent for some time. His production was outstanding, but his numbers were impressive even on a per-carry basis, not simply due to workload. He broke 86 tackles on the ground to lead the nation, had the second-best breakaway percentage with 35 runs of 15 or more yards, and led the nation in PFF’s elusive rating (128.6), a metric designed to separate the work a back does from the blocking he is dealing with. The Seahawks talked about the metrics they had seen illustrating Penny’s prowess after contact, and sure enough he averaged 4.5 yards per carry after contact and led the draft class in yards per carry after contact when hit at or behind the line of scrimmage. Penny is a capable all-around back whose only weakness is pass protection.
Day 2: The Seahawks didn’t pick again until the third round, and they brought in defensive lineman Rasheem Green from USC. Green’s grading has never been fantastic, topping out in 2017 with a mark of just 80.1 overall, but he has shown the ability to get after the passer and his PFF pass-rush grade was up at 85.3 the same season. He had the 22nd-best pass-rush productivity score in the draft class among edge rushers, notching 46 total pressures in his final season. With the Seahawks looking to add pressure up front, Green represents an intriguing player to add to the mix.
Day 3: The Seahawks reunite Shaquem Griffin with his brother, but more importantly bring him to a team that has experience with the Bruce Irvin deployment plan to potentially get him edge rush snaps. OT Jamarco Jones in the fifth round is also a steal, and they got the best punter prospect in the draft too in Michael Dickson.
Overall grade: Average
4 (120) WilL Dissly TE Washington
Way too early. Some blocking prowess but not a true people-mover. Not a separation TE and lacks speed.
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My boy Rob Rang gets it with his draft grades. A line from his Seahawks write up:
"... an underrated class that likely will earn poor marks from national pundits who fail to recognize that the Seahawks' blueprint is different than most others in the NFL."
It's a little sad thst he still has to write that..
Teams have copied the Seattle D, even some of the building blue print, and other aspects.. but still can't get people to understand they aren't drafting "the best (whatever position)". They draft the best person for their scheme and philosophy. Doesn't always work out, but no ones draft does.